March 18th, 2010 | 
Author: Do you believe that increase in security or the implementation of National security state post 9/11 threatens democracy??
I believe that any type of security encrouches on our basic liberties is a threat to democracy, but at the same time, security is needed to protect those liberties we treasure.
What do you think??
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I believe if our government had follow all the laws we have for immigration we would not have needed more security.But the govern is always making new laws that they can’t enforce and just making a big mess out of everything in there.
What liberties have you had taken away from you? Personally, I’ve lived in the US all of my life and I haven’t really noticed any change except at the airports. I haven’t noticed anyone in a black leather trench coat sitting outside my house. I haven’t been asked for any papers while traveling across the state. I doubt there are any wire taps on my phone and if there are the people listening are really bored. I’m not sure what rights and privileges you have had taken from you but would be interested in you telling us.
If you are so worried about your civil liberties you should be the biggest supporter of strong national security. If you think your liberties are being intruded on now wait until there is another huge terrorist attack such as a city being wiped out by a nuclear attack then you will really be complaining about security effecting your liberties.
I seriously believe we have been spoiled with all the things that we take as freedoms. many of the security checks or regulations do not endanger our freedoms but our privileges. We have forgotten the difference. It is a privilege to carry your favorite bottled water onto an Airplane, not a right. (as an example)
1. You have been brainwashed. We live not in a Democracy, but a Republic
2. You give up liberty for security. Any laws providing security remove democracy
Without security, there is no democracy. To have a democracy you must have security. You must make room for it, make it a priority, be prepared to lose some freedom’s to make it work, and don’t be afraid to speak out to politicians who use it’s limitations as political fodder.
Agree we live in a Republic. Losing civil liberties is not the same as losing the democratic process. Popular opinion does not rule in a democratic republic. We elect representatives to look out for our (as a country as well as individual) best interests and weigh the consequences. I like it that way.
The answer is actually found in the Declaration of Independence- “men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and in order to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. ”
Clearly, the people who were killed on 9/11 were deprived of their basic right to life by terrorist attacks, and the reason we have government is to secure our basic rights. Government agencies need the authority to investigate individuals who may be involved in terrorism in order to secure our life and liberty, but government must also be restrained to prevent officials from abusing the powers of investigation and prosecution.
That’s where consent of the governed comes in- through our elected officials we can place restraints and safeguards on investigative procedures. As citizens, we must consider what tools we need to provide to law enforcement to enable them to do their job, and also what protections we need to give our neighbors who might be wrongfully accused. We should be willing to trust those who work to secure our liberties, but not place so much authority in their hands that they may be corrupted by power.
Viewing government as “them” vs. “us” the people may make us feel good, but it does little to protect and preserve democracy. The bureaucrats, judges, officers, advisors and politicians that make up the government are fellow citizens, and we the people are responsible for working with each other to develop solutions to whatever problems face our nation.